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ronald reagan's amb chief that complained privately then to the atlantic that reagan's administration's numbers didn't add up that they were all rosy scenarios. we may be having a re-do of that reagan issue, projecting economic growth that is not sustainable. i am struck, also, andrea, by the fact, of course, with ronald reagan, jack kemp and a lot of people on the right said we know the deficit is bad. we're going to cut taxes, the economy will grow and everything will magically take care of itself. on the other side of that, now we have sort of cansian economics, record-setting deficits but we've got to spend even more money, get even deeper in debt. that will grow the economy and then these numbers will magically take care of themselves. sadly, of course, that's probably not going to happen,
just like it didn't happen during the reagan administration. >> well, kelly, what about the fact that a couple of things that they are projecting to bring the deficit on the glide path down is the deficit cutting commission defeated in congress and now it's going to be a presidential commission without teeth, plus this dissection rdi spending freeze that, as far as i can see, nancy pelosi and even house democrats have not bought into. >> reporter: exactly. this commission is hanging in the air that the president would name bipartisan, he says. we don't know when, we don't know who would be assigned to it we don't know if congress would follow through on its recommendations. commissions are good when you say you're going to politically try to tackle a problem. democrats are not so excited about the idea of a commission that might tell them how to do their jobs. we always have to remember the first rings belong to congress. and on the spending cuts and the ideas that the president has put
forth, one of the things we hear from republicans is that they believe that at a time when the president is also talking about trying to create more jobs by enhancing spending in that area, at the same time he's trying to talk about the deficit and the deficit has become the hot word of the week here in washington, that those things are in conflict. of course, they're reminded about the years of overspending under the bush white house. they, of course, want to say democrats have been in charge a few years now. and if your viewers are wondering why we haven't heard much from members of congress yet today, the president and his budget director had an open field this morning because the house is not in session today. so, they're not here to be on camera easily. the senate comes back in about an hour or so and we may actually begin to see some members of the senate talking about this on camera. so far, it has been a blizzard in our e-mail boxes and blackberries of reaction and, as you can imagine, republicans are saying it's more of the same.
democrats, including the heads on the budget committee, say they'll work with the president on this, they don't agree with all of his priorities but will try to stick with some of his limits. tomorrow will be big as well. peter orszag, the president's budget director, will be here before the house committee. we'll be able to get some of that give and take that will really give us a sense of the divide that may exist on certain points here, some of the difficult issues and hard choices, as the president likes to say, about what his plan will entail. congress has a lot to say and they're gearing up for the big response this afternoon, tomorrow and the days ahead. andrea? >> joe, as a former member of the congress, you know the rhythm of all of this. the budget comes out and they start shooting it down. what about the fact that the president actually went to the republican caucus on friday night, it was live -- friday afternoon, rather, live here in this hour, then we played it again friday night and saturday because it was extraordinary. do you think from talking to folks -- i've talked to some of those who are there in that room. do you think that this is the
beginning of, at least, better communication? so far, this white house has not gotten great marks for -- >> right. >> -- communicating, even with democrats on the hill. >> i don't think so. i think it was an extraordinary event. i think the president should be commended for it, but i think the republicans and the president are on opposite sides on these issues, especially when it comes to deficits. of course, the republicans just had a terrible, terrible record over the past eight years on deficits, on debts, on runaway federal spending. i think the last thing they're going to want to do is get specific about where they want to cut. i think they'll sit back and wait for this president, politically, to make the tough choices if, even his democratic congress will allow him to do it, and then they'll probably attack from that position. listen, this is all about fighting for those independents that have broken away from president obama and democrats over the past year and it's
about oppositics. and, right now, while barack obama had a great week last week, i thought -- especially talking about the need to bring down deficits, talking about his discretionary freeze, even though that's only 17% of the budget. this is all about optics and it's the president versus the republicans and i think we'll see a lot of maneuvering through the year but sadly i don't think a lot will be done on either side because -- well, republicans sitting back and doing nothing makes the most sense and for democrats, i don't think they'll want to make the painful choice that is will hurt them in 2010. >> i want to ask you about their plan to let the bush tax cuts expire on people earning more than $250,000 a year. they say it's going to raise close to $700 billion or reduce the deficit by that. what do you think the impact of that is? does it help them or hurt them when it comes to job creation? >> well, politically, i don't think it helps them at all. i think politically, the
argument you're going to raise taxes during a recession when unemployment is under 10%, real unemployment is close to 17% and an argument that raising taxes is somehow going to revive the economy at this point, i don't think that's a political winner. economically, who knows, andrea? nobody knows. republicans predicted in 1993 that bill clinton's tax increases were going to wreck the economy. democrats predicted in 1995 that republican spending cuts were going to wreck the economy. of course, combined together, they led to some of the fastest economic growth in recent memory. we just don't know. i don't think raising taxes in a recession is ever good politics. >> well, this is one of the questions, joe and kelly, we have a big announcement. we'll have the vice president here right on this set tomorrow morning -- tomorrow at 1:00, rather to talk on "andrea mitchell reports." >> great. >> good booking, andrea. >> talking about the stimulus package and budget and tax cuts.
so, be with us for that. and joe, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> be sure to watch msnbc's power-packed morning starting with "morning joe" with joe and mika, of course, at 6:00 eastern and then followed by the daily rundown with savannah and chuck. for more now, let's bring in isabelle sawhill. thanks for being with us. let's talk about the reality and the proposals, the goal of bringing the budget deficit down to 3% of gross domestic product by 2015 while he's talking about 3.9% by 2015. how realistic is it, given what they're projecting as deficit reduction measures here? >> well, first and foremost, congress is not going to accept all the things that the president is proposing, so that's going to lop off some of the progress that's otherwise in the budget.
and, in addition, it's not a very ambitious goal to get the deficit down to 3.9% of gdp. that's in the neighborhood of $500 or $600 billion of deficit still. so, not a very good outcome even if we can reach it. and then after 2015, things just get worse again because medicare and social security are still growing, and they're a very large part of the budget now. >> and social security is more predicted but medicare is something that really -- we have no idea how technology is going to move and what kind of health care expenses, what kind of legislative policy decisions are going to happen between now and then. the medicare number out there is looming and hanging over everybody. >> it really is looming and it really is a problem. and we do need health care reform that could help to slow the growth of health care spending. but that's looking very iffy
right now as well. >> what about this deficit reduction commission? they didn't get the legislative mandated commission, which would have been more analogous to help them. now it's just going to be advisory. >> i'm afraid that's right. congressionally it failed last week because the republicans, including the leader, mitch mcconnell, had been supportive of having a bipartisan congressionally based commission and then they -- republicans moved away from that. so the president's only choice now is to have an appointed commission, and although they have a commitment in rigwriting from the leadership in the house and senate to take up the recommendations of such a
commission, it's not clear that the republicans are going to want to serve on such a commission and, therefore, it's not clear what it can accomplish. >> the whole idea of the budget freeze, we know now that nancy pelosi at least wants to expand it to the military budget as well, not just have it be nonsecurity, nonmilitary discretionary spending. do you think that's a good signal or will it not get through congress? >> i'm afraid it's a problem, because democrats, particularly liberal democrats, are going to be opposed to such a freeze. so it's a very courageous thing for the president to have put forward, and i think it was very well intentioned. it signals that they're serious about fiscal responsibility but only affects a small slice of the budget. so, even if it were enacted, which i say is problematic, it's not going to help a lot. even over ten years, it saves
only about $250 billion out of a xhul cumulative deficit, which by that time will be in the neighborhood of $8 or $9 trillion. >> bottom line, belle, what rating or number would you assign them for honesty in budget proposals? >> well, i think i would give them reasonable marks there. i haven't had a chance to actually look at the budget document, but i think the problem here is mainly not honesty but political will. and i think when republicans are not willing to even put taxes on the table and when many democrats are opposed to reigning in entitlement spending on social security and medicare, we're at an impasse. we have a dysfunctional government right now. >> not good for any of us. thank you very much, isabel sawhill from brookings. thank you for being with us.
>> thank you, andrea. still to come, the president sets aside $200 million in his p proposed budget to pay for security costs associated with the 9/11 terror trials. with new york city now off the table, what city is going to take it? "the new york times" david sanger joins us next. you can find me on twitter at mitch thereports only on msnbc. [ female announcer ] the latest athletic fabrics that keep you cool and dry have now inspired stayfree® to create a whole new level of comfort when it comes to your period.
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khalid shaikh mohammed in manhattan. david sanger is author of "the inheritance" now out in paper and updated with brand new material on the first year. you've been busy. >> bus. >> i thanks for being with us. let's talk first about these terror trials. there was a big announcement some months ago, eric holder announcing khalid shaikh mohammed would be tried in civil courts in manhattan and everyone was on board, including mayor bloomberg. and there had been precedent in the bush administration trying these in civil courts. now a flip, ray kelly, the police chief said they would have to block off all of lower manhattan for months, if not yea years. what happened here? how did the white house get on
the wrong side of this? >> almost everything that this white house has done in terms of trying to change the bush legacy and both close gitmo, move these trials to civilian trials and move them to new york has fallen apart on them. obviously, gitmo was supposed to be closed by this month. it isn't. this trial, i think, was an effort to try to demonstrate to the world that the worst of the 9/11 conspirators would be tried in an open, civilian court where the world could see the evidence. i think the white house still very much wants to go do that, but the fact that they're having to back off from the trial location being in new york makes you wonder whether they're going to end up at the end of this process back to a military commission or back to hold iingt at guantanamo. as you said, the facility in illinois is reaching a considerable amount of opposition and there's a
question, legal question about whether you could even hold this trial in illinois even if one could get that open, because there would have to be a venue issue. >> a judge would have to approve that. >> right. the crime itself was committed in new york and in washington. >> and in pennsylvania, of course. >> and in pennsylvania. >> let's listen to what robert gibbs had to say. there was a time when presidents of the united states and other administration roefgss wouldn't talk about pending trials. this is what he had to say yesterday on cnn to john king. >> khalid shaikh mohammed is going to meet justice and meet his maker. >> in a federal courtroom? >> he will be brought to justice and is likely to be executed for the heinous crimes that he committed in killing, masterminding the killing of 3,000 americans. >> and in a republican response to the president's video message on saturday, susan collins, who is the republican -- ranking member on homeland security committee in the senate was also
criticizing the way the fbi interrogated the christmas day bomber. let's watch. >> less than one hour, that's right, less than one hour. in fact, just 50 minutes. that's the amount of time that the fbi spent questioning abdulmutallab, the foreign terrorist who tried to blow up a plane on christmas day. how did the obama administration decide to treat a foreign terrorist, who had tried to murder hundreds of people, as if he were a common criminal? >> the issue is why he was mirandized within an hour, and they got lots of factual information, i'm told by sources, that they're following up leads from him, the fact that he got told of his rights makes us all feel warm and cozy about our constitution, but has given the republicans and other
critics of this a lot of ammunition. >> it has. let's take these in order. i was surprised by mr. gibbs' statement. i mean, when you and i would cover the white house, how many times did you hear of an issue coming up in court and we were always told the same thing, which was -- >> like any human being would, about what we all want to happen to khalid shaikh mohammed. it's just it does cross a certain line. >> it does, and the concern is that it could create the image around the world that the outcome of this trial is predetermined, and the reason you hold a trial is, obviously, because the outcome is not predetermined. so, there's a difficulty with that. i think the obama administration has been struggling with that. they wanted to move it to the civilian courts, precisely to show that american justice was being done in an open way. but then to step out and announce what the likely outcome was is a little bit difficult. >> i think he was trying to project toughness. >> i think he was.
>> in the wake of all these criticisms. >> right. >> of the way this guy was interrogated. >> i completely understand and sympathize with what he was doing, but it is the difficult thing to do when you are the president's spokesman. the second question is, was this a real and useful interrogation? it's a little hard to tell because we don't know the details of what he revealed. >> well, we have a lot more to talk about. please come back. we want to talk about iran and foreign policy and all the rest of your beat. the inheritance out in paper. congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> look forward to read iing it. up next, we'll tap into the republicans' playbook. tying democratic candidates to president obama pay off for the party in november? plus, is the last full day of campaigning before that illinois primary. illinois primary? and two seats once held by president obama and former governor held in play. ny kids t, how do we know how many classrooms we need? the census helps us know exactly what we need.
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how do republicans plan to use president obama in primaries this year? far fetched a year ago, but now republicans are planning to use president obama because they may help them in close races rather than hurting them. glenn rush joins us, senior editor for politico. what are republican strategists telling you folks about this? apparently it came up at the winter meetings in honolulu. good place to have a winter meeting when we're having a huge snow storm in this part of the country. at those meetings they were talking about using obama as an asset. >> reporter: it's pretty striking. he was at 76% a year ago, now around 50%. they're looking to deploy him in places he did fairly well last time, tennessee, louisiana, even the mountain west in colorado, which he won substantially. it's really across the board. >> and how do republicans plan
to make -- take advantage of president obama? what is it about the obama record so far they're planning to use as bullet points? >> reporter: that's the key the there, the obama record and not obama himself. the president remains personally popular. people don't like to attack him personally. look at scott brown in massachusetts. but former rnc chairman haley bar ber calls it the barber doctrine, attack the policies without laying a glove on the president himself. people don't want negative politics. they may be skeptical about his policies. we've seen that gap and we think the republicans will try to destroy it. >> barber, one-time director for ronald reagan, and nobody does effective politics with a bigger smile and nicer. he could do mean really, really nice. it's a talent. >> reporter: well -- >> i say that admiringly. he's an old pal. >> reporter: it's a tough game. what they realize is that they're seeing vulnerability in places they never thought they would see vulnerability. we're not just talking about the
south here. we're talking about states, particularly out west. colorado is really the chicasho where michael bennett is in a bit of trouble. you have gop state chairman begging for obama to come. it will be interesting. >> that is an interesting turn of events. glenn, thanks so much, from politico. coming up, legal trouble for an idaho church group detained in haiti. plus primary time in illinois, democrats vying for governor trade charges along racial lines, while the senate seat once held by a president, president obama, now in jeopardy of falling into republican hands. this can only end one way. [ crunch ] wheat thins. toasted. whole grain. crunch. the crunch is calling. but my doctor told me that most calcium supplements... aren't absorbed properly unless taken with food. he recommended citracal. it's different --
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there was a dispute over florida, georgia and other states, claiming they did not want to take these patients in, because they were not being reimbursed. those flights, the problems have now been straightened out. ten americans have been arrested and are being held in port-au-prince today, they claim they were trying to rescue earthquake orphans. they are accused of trying to smuggle them out of the country illegally. kerry sanders is in the middle of all this, live for us in haiti today. have you been able to sort out, is this a group that was simply not aware of the rules down there and got on the wrong side of the law, or is this something more sinister? >> reporter: it certainly appears to be -- i think it appears to be the former there, andrea. it appears they're rather naive with large hearts that came down here. but that doesn't really seem to matter to the haitian government. they say they've broken the law and are quoting right now the communications director saying there can be no question of taking our children off the streets and out of this country. he goes on to say they will be judged that. that's what's important. right now they're being held in
two cells, concrete rooms, no air conditioning, held there by the authorities as they are attempting to convene a judicial hearing in what is a broken government here. imagine, of all the problems they now have to try to get this judicial system up and running to try to determine whether they will be tried. they're not charged right now. they're simply detained. but they could be charged here. they could be with the united states, they could be charged in the united states. it's very complicated. it's a fluid situation. one of those who was able to go over to the medical tent with one of the others, laura silsby, i had a chance to talk with her as the haitian authorities were taking her back to her jail cell. >> our biggest concern is for the children. they are grieving. we had 33 children in our care and we are really most concerned about the kids. we don't know where they were taken to and they've lost so much. >> reporter: they're holding you right now, taking you back to
jail, right? >> yes, ten americans in jail. >> reporter: so, as you can see, there was a rather -- lot of chaos and commotion there, as the authorities were taking her back to the police vehicle. she had gone to the medical tent with one of the other missionaries, clarrissa coulter, who was having flu-like symptoms, was dehydrated and that's why i got a chance to meet up with laura silsby there. the 33 children they had on the bus, attempting to take over the border to the dominican republic, ages 2 months to 12 years, are back together, authorities here in haiti have found a place for them to remain. it is now clear that many of them do have parents and some of those parents had no intention of their children leaving the country and being adopted in the united states. andrea? >> kerry, this is so fraught with emotion for everyone involved. but i've got to say, we've been taking questions, answering
questions all weekend for many of our nightly news viewers who have been be writing in about wanting to adopt. the rules are very clear. they have stopped all depositings right now except for people who are already in the system. you've been reporting, and all of our colleagues down there, many people have been able to get these children out but there are others who are feeling that they are tied up in red tape and the bottom line is, you have to get a visa from the u.s. embassy, which is predicated on getting clearance from the haitian government. they're trying to expedite it because they don't have courts or approvals along the way. there were 1,100 children in this pool of people who already have been approved and matched with families and other people cannot come in right now and take these children and it's exactly to prevent -- as well intentioned as american missionaries may be -- not to be judgmental here, but to prevent, according to haiti's government, taking children from their parents. >> reporter: andrea, i think the clearest thing for anybody who is in the united states
watching, or anybody who has a relative or a friend down here, who thinks they're doing a proper adoption, if they do not have a piece of paper with the prime minister's signature on it, that is not a legal adoption. the government here has made it very clear. whether it's an adoption that was in process before the earthquake or whatever. however complicated it may be, if you don't have the prime minister's signature on a piece of paper, a document, it is not considered a legal adoption. >> and you need a visa from the united states. you have to go through u.s. immigration. thank you so much, kerry, doing an incredible job down there. hats off to you and michelle kosinski and the whole team down there. thanks for being with us. >> reporter: thank you. the 2010 election cycle kicking off tomorrow with polls opening in the hotly contested illinois primaries. joining us now, democratic strategists and msnbc contributor karen finney and republican strategist john fiore, who works for the former
speaker of illinois and his son is running for his old seat. let's go to you first, john. >> sure. >> let's talk about this illinois primary. what do you think is going to happen? mark kirk, the republican can d candidate, has gotten ay lot of boost in the past and democrats are in a three-way primary. there's a new issue involved in that, which involves the bank problems of one of the democratic candidates. >> well, andrea, if there's any place that's more dysfunctional than the federal government it's the illinois government. the city of chicago -- >> that takes a lot. >> that takes a lot. state legislature has been completely dominated by one party. the last two governors in illinois have gone to jail, including rod blagojevich and was trying to get some sort of show on nbc, i think, and before that george ryan is in the slammer right now. completely dysfunctional government and really a revulsion toward corruption. in the democratic primary, alexi
giannoulias is having some allegations about the bank his father owns that might have connections with tony rezko so the candidacy of this hofman fellow is looking strong, because he's seen as a reformer, but i think mark kirk is looking the strongest and no matter who the democrats put up he will win the obama seat, which puts republicans back on the map in illinois. >> republicans may be back on the map in illinois. you've seen beau biden, the vice president's son, will not run in delaware and that means that mike cassel, the republican, has a pretty good shot there. texas is the other primary state, karen finney. let's talk about what's happening in texas, only 29 days away. you've got a big impact from the tea party movement where the republicans are having some trouble because of the three-way governors' race. the tea party candidate who got into this fairly late has shown a lot of momentum in debates,
which could send them into a run-off between kay bailey hutchinson and governor rick perry. >> sure. some of the themes in 2010, i think it will be a tough year for incumbents, in general. certainly, the taint of corruption is problematic. but, you know, we've been seeing in the polls nationally a very strong sort of anti-establishment, anti-government sentiment. and i think we're seeing that a little bit it's working against governor perry in texas, not to mention this whole september of the tea partiers, we're starting to see tea party candidates popping up in the congressional races and primaries and that's really going to lay to bear the rifs we know exist in the republican party, which even has some members -- there was a story last week on the hill about some members trying to push the republican party farther to the right, which is what the tea partiers will do, at a time when america is not looking to move farther to the right.
>> john feheery, what about the scott brown effect? first of all, new york state, another place where democrats are being challenged with another appointed seat, kirsten gillibrand having trouble with harold ford challenging her there. do you think what happened in massachusetts could happen in new york state? >> we have to have a candidate first. this war fare between harold ford and gillibrand is interesting. wall street doesn't like what gillibrand is saying and certainly want to protest against president obama and his policies on tacks. if they come up with a halfway decent candidate, i think they can sweep in and win this one. that would be stunning if they win delaware, massachusetts, new york and illinois, heck of an election for republicans. >> having worked on a senate race in new york -- >> you and i, karen, were -- >> that's right, on the road together. >> out there on the road in 2000, yeah. >> and, as you remember, andrea, there are 62 counties in the
state of new york and it's very easy to think you can win just by being popular in new york city but really, you can't. you really need those upstate voters and there is a real rif between upstate and downstate. the candidate who will win that race, part of why kirsten is so popul popular, a candidate that can appeal to upstate and downstate voters. >> her congressional district up there and now will have some help from david plouffe. scott brown showed that you could do it in massachusetts. he was not without ribbing on "saturday night live." >> whoops, wrong door again. looking for the bathroom. >> it was down the hall on the right. >> thanks, speaker pelosi and let me just say i'm looking forward to working closely with you. >> closely? >> okay. let's talk economy. with this new spending freeze, job creation is going to be
harder than ever. >> hey, nancy, you're the speaker of the house. >> you know, what can you say? one of the other things i want to ask both of you about, though, is this new white house effort to run against wall street. the president was in town. he and the vice president showed up at the georgetown duke game saturday afternoon. we had a little bit of snow, but at the last minute, they canceled the big alfalfa dinner. they were in town, obviously, only a few blocks away. what do you think was going on there, karen, not wanting to be seen going to a black tie dinner these days? >> i think democrats are -- we're finding our voice in terms of the narrative for 2010. if you vote between the wall street/main street dynamic and the supreme court decision from
last week, big corporations or is it -- or are you for individual voices? in terms of -- we know there's a strong populist sentiment in the country and so i think you're seeing us -- democrats really making that into a narrative. >> okay. well, it seems like they can't quite decide whether they want to be friends or enemies with republ republicans. john feehery -- >> let me jump in real quick. populism is a losing strategy for the democrats because of one reason. it doesn't work. the more you bash and tax the banks, the less they can loan and the less the economy will come back. if you want effective policies not a bunch of rhetoric. that doesn't help things. >> i think there's a balance, john. people are feeling like policies are not applying to them. >> karen, we'll have to leave it there. karen and john feehery, thank you. >> thank you. in today's declassified segment, michael isikoff takes us behind the decision to clear
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anticipated in the washington legal community than this one. it's a four-year investigation of the lawyers who wrote those members in 2002. >> john ewe. >> and now a federal appealate court judge that looked at the waterboarding and other interrogation techniques used by the cia against al qaeda suspects. at the very end of the bush administration, little more than a year ago, conclude e ed that and bybee violated standards when they crafted these opinions, used faulty legal reasoning and should be referred to their state bars there was a lot of anticipation about this report. last bush attorney general sent it back to the office of professional responsibility, that's the justice ethics area.
>> eric holder watchdog unit? >> right, eric holder -- sent it back for more work, more work was done. they got replies from the lawyers representing the two individuals. now, opr stuck with their recommendations, but a senior justice official, who reviewed it, david margoulis, downgraded the findi ining from profession misjudgment to poor judgment. a lot of people will be upset by that, and a lot of people want to know why david margoulis, a career guy, downgraded the findings of the ethics review unit. >> logon to declassified postings. what political story will be making headlines? that's next. send me your thoughts on as small businesses are busy reinventing the economy, small business owners have a lot of questions.
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the big political story making headlines in the next 24 hours. joining us now chris cillizza "washington post" reporter and author of "the fix." chris. >> well, andrea, thanks. since the special election in massachusetts, we haven't been thinking too much about elections. tomorrow is an election day. illinois, the president's home state. his seat, in fact, which is now vacant, roland burris not running. the one to watch, governor pat quinn, who took over when rob blagojevich, the disgraced former governor left office, quinn may lose a democratic primary to pat hynes. if pat quinn winds up losing, look for more stories about the
anti-incumbent atmosphere out there. incumbents typically don't come up short in primaries. >> it may not be fair. it becomes a narrative for the white house. once massachusetts happened we're going to pounce, blogosphere going to pounce on any sign democrats are vulnerable. >> it is the president's home state. it is fair, as you say, andrea, much more fair to blame rob blagojevich for the governor's race in illinois than the president. they are trying to do the best they k it is his home state. it is symbolic. you'll see some of that, especially if pat quinn comes up short tomorrow night. polls suggest a very, very close race. >> and for whoever does run as a democrat, once they get into the primary stages, once they get past the primary, rather, you've got a possibility of a blagojevich trial in june. there are going to be a lot of headlines out of that. >> a lot of dread about that. >> not too much fun for
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right now on "msnbc live" with tamron hall, what's next for a group of americans being held in haiti as we speak accused of trying to smuggle children out for legal adoptions. a $100 million man? could the ceo of goldman sachs be taking home that much. cia for rent. a controversial report out says cia operatives have been moonlighting for corporate
america. is this dangerous double duty? and did nike go way too far with an ad featuring kobe bryant? we're going to show you the ad and tell you what the dust-up is all about. did it cross the line? as i mentioned, new developments in the case of ten americans accused of trying to smuggle children out of haiti. word now the americans could now face trial here in the united states. meantime the lawyer representing the americans are saying that his clients are being subjected to inhumane conditions. nbc's kerry sanders is covering the story for us out of port-au-prince. miguel almaguer is live where five of the americans attended church. kerry, what happened and what is the story about them possibly being tried in the states? >> reporter: the court hearing is yet to happen. they are, indeed, being held in jail cells here. they are concrete with bars, no air conditioning.
it's tough conditions for everybody, despite what the lawyers are saying about how it's especially difficult for them the group from the idaho area are standing not officially charged yet. they are being detained for rounding up these 33 children they put in a bus and were caught taking across the border into the dominican republic. two of the members were taken to a nearby hospital, including one of the women who was accompanying her because she apparently had some sort of flu-like symptoms or some sort of diabetic shock. it's unclear. carissa colter from boise, idaho, was at the hospital. we had an opportunity to speak to her this morning. >> i do know that there was never, ever any money involved. our concern was always for these kids. we were told by god to come a